Personal growth, problem-solving and more: delving deep into The Hammock’s second episode

Exploring the career growth journey at Nubank, where technical expertise merges with personal development.

The Hammock by Building Nu

Written by: Filipe Andrade & Keith Harper

The Hammock is a podcast in which engineers can take a break, allowing their minds to roam free while listening to conversations with content relevant to the software development community. 

In the second episode, the conversation deepens around some central themes: personal growth, balance, problem-solving, and effective communication. This time, Filipe Andrade, lead software engineer, hosts Keith Harper, staff software engineer, for an enriching conversation.

This article explores the second episode of The Hammock, which covers some aspects of the career growth journey at Nubank, where technical expertise merges with personal development, and a delicate equilibrium between professional aspirations and philosophical growth is sought.

Discover how Filipe and Keith engage in a profound conversation about their experiences, insights, and strategies while navigating the complexities of personal and professional growth. 

You can listen to “The Hammock” on the following channels: Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Amazon Music, and Anchor.

The hunger for growth: defining success and embracing continuous improvement

In the first part of the interview, Filipe and Keith explore the insatiable hunger for growth. They contemplate the concept of “good enough” and whether growth has any limits. Filipe poses thought-provoking questions, challenging the notion of eternal hunger and the implications it has on personal and professional satisfaction. Keith, on the other hand, introduces the idea that growth extends beyond external achievements, focusing on internal development and becoming the best version of oneself. They emphasize the importance of self-reflection and establishing clear goals that align with personal values.

Filipe’s inquiry about the meaning of “good enough” prompts an insightful discussion on the balance between contentment and the drive for continuous improvement. Keith reflects on his belief in constantly striving for growth and challenging the status quo. He acknowledges that defining what is “good enough” can vary from person to person, but asserts that personal growth is a lifelong journey that should never stagnate.

Balancing act: personal growth and financial success in symbiosis

Filipe and Keith shift their conversation towards the delicate balance between personal growth and financial success. They acknowledge the role of money in modern society, but stress that it should not define a person’s goodness. They explore the challenges of reconciling financial stability and philosophical growth, discussing how individuals can strike a balance between their income-driven pursuits and their aspirations for personal evolution.

Keith emphasizes that the pursuit of financial success should not be detached from personal values and growth. He believes that the two aspects can work in symbiosis, with financial stability supporting personal development and vice versa. While acknowledging the need for money to fulfill practical needs such as education or purchasing a home, Filipe highlights that money alone does not guarantee personal fulfillment. The discussion underscores the importance of aligning financial goals with philosophical ideals while finding a harmonious balance between professional achievements and personal growth.

The power of intention and the art of questioning

In this part of the interview, Filipe and Keith delve into the power of intention and the art of asking questions. They draw parallels between software development practices and the quest for personal growth. Keith introduces the Socratic method, emphasizing its role in pursuing truth in both professional and personal contexts. They discuss the significance of intentional action and the exploration of alternative solutions.

The conversation centers on the idea that intentional action involves thoughtful decision-making and considering the consequences of one’s choices. Keith describes the Socratic method as a powerful tool for uncovering truth and gaining deeper understanding. By asking meaningful questions, individuals can challenge assumptions, broaden perspectives, and uncover new insights. This approach fosters critical thinking, encourages exploration of different paths, and ultimately fuels personal and professional growth.

Conflict as catalyst: navigating challenges for personal and professional growth

Filipe and Keith share their perspectives on conflicts and their potential as catalysts for personal and professional growth. They recount personal experiences and discuss strategies for addressing conflicts in relationships and work environments. Additionally, they stress the importance of maintaining open lines of communication, approaching conflicts with a growth-oriented mindset, and seeking resolutions that foster mutual understanding and development.

They discuss the significance of reflecting on conflicts and identifying their root causes. Keith highlights the importance of understanding that conflicts are not inherently negative, and instead can serve as opportunities for personal and professional growth while strengthening relationships. The conversation underscores the value of conflict resolution as a means of personal and professional development, offering opportunities for self-reflection, improved communication, and increased resilience.

Embracing adversity: dragons as pathways to personal transformation

Filipe and Keith explore the concept of adversity and its transformative potential. They draw parallels between challenges in life and the mythical dragons encountered in heroic tales. The discussion emphasizes the importance of confronting life’s dragons head-on, rather than running away or avoiding difficult situations.

Keith draws on Jordan Peterson’s perspective, highlighting the significance of facing challenges as an essential part of personal growth. He describes the psychological impact of avoiding challenges, which triggers a sense of danger and inhibits growth. By choosing to confront adversity and engaging in self-reflection, individuals can navigate challenging situations, learn from them, and emerge stronger. Filipe adds that tackling complex problems often requires considering multiple alternatives and then finding the best solution among various possibilities.

Cultivating a growth culture: lessons from Nubank’s journey

In the final part of the interview, Filipe and Keith reflect on the growth culture at Nubank and its impact on personal and professional development. They emphasize the importance of continuous improvement, fostering an environment where individuals can thrive, and nurturing a culture of learning and collaboration.

Keith highlights the significance of adopting a growth mindset and actively seeking ways to enhance skills and acquire knowledge. He discusses the power of intentional action and the need to embrace opportunities for growth, both individually and as a team. Filipe shares his appreciation for the culture at Nubank, which encourages open dialogue, challenging the status quo, and valuing personal development along with professional success.


The interview with Filipe and Keith provides an illuminating glimpse into various aspects of personal and professional growth. Through their discussions, we learn that success goes beyond external achievements and financial stability. It encompasses personal growth, self-reflection, and a commitment to continuous improvement.

Balancing personal and professional aspirations requires intentional action, the ability to embrace conflicts as opportunities for growth, and the courage to face life’s challenges head-on. As Nubank continues to evolve, it stands as a testament to the power of cultivating a culture of growth and nurturing individuals to realize their full potential.

May their insights inspire us all to embark on our own unique paths of growth, personal transformation, and meaningful achievement.

About The Hammock

The Hammock is a podcast that has been developed and produced by some of Nubank’s engineers, including Filipe Andrade, lead software engineer; Robert Randolph, engineering manager; Christian Romney, director of engineering; and Jaret Binford, senior product manager.

The name “The Hammock” aims to capture the essence of Rich Hickey’s philosophy of taking a break to contemplate complex problems. With its release, Nubank aims to explore innovative ideas, evolving technology trends, and highlight the innovation taking place within their own ranks.